• Re: Not religious but enjoying church

    From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Aug 30 14:45:54 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 26 2019 07:06 pm

    notice you are replying to a msg from october 2018

    And?

    AND, i dont want to dig up old discussions from a year ago. it's stupid and pointless.

    Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 30 13:03:36 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Aug 30 2019 02:45 pm

    AND, i dont want to dig up old discussions from a year ago. it's
    stupid and pointless.

    Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!

    Yeah, genius idea.. Why didn't I think of that? ;)

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 14:03:37 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:03 pm

    Yes, let's try and stifle discussion in these low traffic echos!

    Yeah, genius idea.. Why didn't I think of that? ;)

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help Allah? What?


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Fri Oct 25 12:39:22 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 02:03 pm

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help Allah? What?

    As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion, and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 17:31:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help Allah? What?

    As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
    and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.

    Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your
    religion...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg



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  • From HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 15:25:45 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 05:31 pm

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this area
    created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help

    As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
    and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.

    Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your
    religion...

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God. As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Sun Nov 24 14:13:04 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God. As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

    I don't consider myself intensely religious, but even as we discover more about the universe, I don't think that completely rules out the universe being created by a being of some kind.

    There's also a conspiracy theory that some people believe the universe we live in is just a computer simulation, similar to The Matrix. I've heard Elon Musk (CEO of Tesla) even believes we're living in a simulation..

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 10:35:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 05:31 pm

    If I don't have a Religion can I still post in here? What was this are
    created for anyway? Religion..what? Debates? To sell a religion? Help

    As far as I can tell, this sub-board is for discussing religion,
    and you don't have to have a religion to discuss religion.

    Indeed. You can even discuss religion if you are losing your religion...

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Cathol
    old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

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    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge of having faith.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 10:46:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sun Nov 24 2019 02:13 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: HusTler to Gamgee on Sun Nov 24 2019 03:25 pm

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of God As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

    I don't consider myself intensely religious, but even as we discover more ab

    There's also a conspiracy theory that some people believe the universe we li

    Nightfox


    When the Matrix first came out, there was alot of conversation about aspects
    of the film that resembled religious concepts. The same can be said about
    the how the force was introduced in Star Wars A New Hope.

    In both series, the protagonist lived his life is a daze, as if sleepwalking until the moment when they comitted themselves by blindly taking the leap
    into accepting there was something beyond their perception and understanding
    of reality. Several faiths have a concept of waking up from a dream or no longer walk around being blind to what else is out there.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 14:21:38 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge of having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as people of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 21:34:36 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm


    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as peopl of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.


    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 22:43:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:35 am

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There are

    Nightfox


    I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we
    see is all there is, or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.

    In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.

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  • From HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 07:17:21 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
    object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
    away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
    There are

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tue Nov 26 08:32:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 09:34 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 25 2019 02:21 pm


    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? There a many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as pe of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.


    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

    Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 10:30:21 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    I think there's alot of people who cannot or do not want to believe all we see is all there is,

    I think there's actually some truth to that idea. For instance, we only see a fraction of the total electromagnetic spectrum.. We don't see radio waves, for example. And we don't see things as small as atoms, but we know atoms exist. By "observable", I was thinking things that we may eventually need to build tools to observe if we can't observe it directly.

    or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
    intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outside the realms of our reality created us that way.

    I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.

    In the past, people let their leaders or kings step all over them, because the y believed this world was a test to get them in the door of a better place.

    :/

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Nov 26 16:48:01 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 09:34 pm

    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

    I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.

    Anyway, how do you observe God? What do you look for?

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 18:25:00 2019
    On 11-24-19 15:25, HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I lost mine years ago. These days I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. ;-) but I'm always up for a debate about the existence of

    I'm former Church of England. :)

    God. As Science explains more and more about our world I have a hard
    time believing in the unseen and the stories of old. But I guess that's just me. ;-)

    I could be considered an agnostic athiest. I don't believe in a deity, but I also believe it's not possible to scientifically prove or disprove the existence of a deity, or whether the Universe is really the Matrix, because such things come from outside our reality, beyond our ability to detect them.

    I do believe in spiritual connections, but in my belief system, this is a property of the Universe, and that life and intelligence are an emergent property of our Universe. In essence, we are the Universe trying to understand itself.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tue Nov 26 22:55:11 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Mon Nov 25 2019 06:25 pm

    I could be considered an agnostic athiest. I don't believe in a deity, but I also believe it's not possible to scientifically prove or disprove the existence of a deity, or whether the Universe is really the Matrix, because such things come from outside our reality, beyond our ability to detect them.

    Scientists/physicists these days have String Theory, which seems to be related to multiverse theory. I imagine scientists may eventually come up with a way to prove or disprove that. If multiverse theory is true and proven true, then that would mean we would have a way to detect something outside of our reality (or at least our universe).

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 00:23:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 07:17 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
    object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
    away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
    There are

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you have to have faith and if y

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    I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but
    guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a
    historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited
    understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have
    an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Nov 27 19:23:00 2019
    On 11-26-19 22:55, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Scientists/physicists these days have String Theory, which seems to be related to multiverse theory. I imagine scientists may eventually come

    Some variants of string theory do allow for multiple parallel universes

    up with a way to prove or disprove that. If multiverse theory is true
    and proven true, then that would mean we would have a way to detect something outside of our reality (or at least our universe).

    Well, this is where things get interesting. Directly proving string theory at this time appears to be impossible, because of the extremely small dimensions of the strings. Between the amound of energy required to observe something small, combined with quantim effects such as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and observer effects, combined with the effects of the extreme observational energies, it's difficult to see how strings might be directly observed.

    As for indirect proof, mathematical proofs may come, but they would be harder to verify.


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  • From HusTler to Moondog on Wed Nov 27 06:54:12 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 12:23 am

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the

    historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limited


    This is where I believe is the root of it. Before Science were no explanations for mans curiousity. Then the God stuff explained them and now we have 100 variations of religion and worshiping the Gods. You get to pick and chose which one you like and follow. And that makes in the right one. Then someone else tells you OH no your wrong. Our religion is the only true religion. Yikes!

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  • From metalhead@VERT/ALKY to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 20:09:00 2019
    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid

    Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles
    too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to metalhead on Wed Nov 27 20:55:32 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 08:09 pm

    Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.

    Crows? Monkeys? Dogs? Octopii? Pigs? Rabbits? Owls? Because all of thse are FAR more observant than humans.

    Cats too, but Cats just don't give a fuck.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to metalhead on Wed Nov 27 21:22:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: metalhead to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 08:09 pm

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it becaus they ca n't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid

    Despite obstacles, life is too short. Jesus' miracles, and other miracles too, are signals from God, as he communicates to one of the most receptive, observant creatures on earth in unique ways.


    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle
    unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture
    type stuff that has no way to go back and prove. Is life too short? Is the concept of an afterlife comforting opposed to the notion you have finite time to be who you are, and that's all you get?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 01:21:51 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to metalhead on Wed Nov 27 2019 09:22 pm

    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

    If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.

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  • From HusTler to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 10:53:44 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:21 am

    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

    If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some people could call it a miracle.

    There's a lot of unexplainable stuff in our world. That doesn't mean it's a miricle from God. And what's up with this afterlife stuff? Ask 100 people what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God can take your pain away. Well that hasn't happened yet so I'm not banking on it at this point in my life. That would be like banking on Santa Clause showing up at my house Christmas Eve. ;-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 07:58:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

    How does one prove miracles occur? Aren't the results of the miracle unlikely, yet remain possible? I'm not talking about old school scripture

    If something happened that is unexplainable, I suppose some
    people could call it a miracle.

    Heck, we call things miracles all the time, that are obviously
    *NOT* miracles.

    Best example I can think of is the "Miracle on Ice" which of
    course is simply a hockey game won by the USA over the Soviets in
    the 1980 Olympics. Certainly not expected, but by no means a
    "miracle". :-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Nov 28 12:48:07 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 07:17 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 25 2019 10:43 pm

    The concept of faith is interesting. If you could pick up an
    object and find the creator's signature on it, that would take
    away the challenge having faith.

    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge?
    There are

    I wonder why it's so important for believers to beleive? Is it because the can't accept the idea that when you die you die? Are they afraid of being alone? Why is faith so important. I may chose to believe I will see my dead loved ones again someday but that doesn't mean I will. This idea that you ha to have faith and if you don't you're a lost soul is just a myth in my book.


    my beliefs give me strength. they give me an advantage over people who lack that strength. i dont care if i have an afterlife or not. you should make the most of what time you have right now. and it IS a test. it's a test that rewards on the spot. adversity breeds character. sacrifice is rewarded.

    whether it's god or the universe or some alien dude, it just does.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 12:48:40 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2019 08:32 am


    Sometimes I wonder, why should having faith be such a challenge? Ther many diffeent faiths in the world - which is right? If it was true as of faith claim, I'd think it should be easily observable/testable.


    the existance of god IS observable. IF you choose to look.

    Please explain. I'm curious of your explanation.


    i just did explain.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 12:50:29 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Nov 26 2019 10:30 am

    or feel comfort in the idea we exist because of
    intelligent design, and we are unique because a creator who exists outs the realms of our reality created us that way.

    I'm not sure I feel any more comfort thinking we're here due to intelligent design or not.


    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 12:50:48 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Nov 26 2019 04:48 pm

    I didn't think you were a believer, after the back & forth you had with Tony Langdon not too long ago.


    who?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 12:53:26 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Tue Nov 26 2019 10:55 pm

    Scientists/physicists these days have String Theory, which seems to be relat to multiverse theory. I imagine scientists may eventually come up with a wa to prove or disprove that. If multiverse theory is true and proven true, th that would mean we would have a way to detect something outside of our reali (or at least our universe).



    i dont know if anybody else has experience this, but if i ever have a near death accident where i get out of it, like a near miss car accident, or whatever.. i have a feeling that someplace else the opposite happened and i can almost feel what it's like over there.

    i think everything is connected somehow, so maybe i am feeling some multiverse cause and effect.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 12:55:16 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to HusTler on Wed Nov 27 2019 12:23 am

    I think some like to believe there is a plan, or a system of order that precedes the laws of man, a greater power that not only created us, but guides us and intervenes with natural events by way of prayer. From a historic angle, religion was the means of explaining things beyond our limit
    understanding, but also establishes the ground rules for absolute laws that are over rule the laws created by men. It's comforting to believe you have an all knowing, all powerful being has got your back.


    i dont think that's the way most people that 'believe' feel. your hypothesis just seems like someone on the outside looking in.

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Nov 28 12:57:41 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 10:53 am

    what it is and you get 100 different explainations. I'm not afraid to die. Maybe that's why I don't need a God in my life. When I die the pain will be gone. That's all that matters to me. I've been told by many many people God


    your pain wont be gone. your pain will dwarf what you will experience
    because you are a non believer.

    you are going to be sodomized by pineapples.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Nov 28 13:30:02 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entities, that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessarily mean we're accountable to the creator?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Nov 28 13:31:10 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enjoying church
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:53 pm

    i dont know if anybody else has experience this, but if i ever have a near death accident where i get out of it, like a near miss car accident, or whatever.. i have a feeling that someplace else the opposite happened and i can almost feel what it's like over there.

    i think everything is connected somehow, so maybe i am feeling some multiverse cause and effect.

    That may be true.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thu Nov 28 17:37:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:55 pm


    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the population amongst other things?

    Yes, he killed an underserving, heathen population and chose who was to
    survive by appearing to Noah in the form of a burning bush. The others
    laughed at Noah and mocked God's demands.

    Interesting note is the story of a great flood also exists in other primitve texts of people of different faiths origins. I read that the epic of
    Gilgamesh contains a story where the hero meets an acient that tells a story o f a great flood.

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  • From HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 07:03:56 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

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  • From HusTler to MRO on Fri Nov 29 07:17:25 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 08:47 pm

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that
    necessar mean we're accountable to the creator?


    it depends on the creator's mood


    Exactly. I'm not interested in worshiping a God with Bipolar disorder and floods the world cause he/she gets in a bad mood. However whatever happened it scared the shit out of people and changed their behaviors so I guess some good came out of it. Even if the whole thing was a myth.

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  • From HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 07:19:30 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

    Havens BBS

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Fri Nov 29 13:32:00 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 01:30 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Nov 28 2019 12:50 pm

    i think if we were here due to some choice of another entity or entitie that makes stuff pretty scary.

    everything being random and nothing matters and do whatever you want whenever you want is the easy no stress way of thinking.

    Even if the universe was created by an intelligent being, does that necessar

    Nightfox

    If you look at the old testament of the bible or texts of early faiths,
    worship is demanded as a form of giving thanks, and an avenue to receiving a place in the afterlife.

    Non-believers and worshippers of false idols were somehow destroyed or killed
    off by plagues, weather, burnt as in the story of Sodom and Gemmorah, or
    even slain by angels during passover.

    In religion of a generic nature, the gods are regarded as being jealous, and needy of worship to exist. They demand obedience to the rules they establish for man to follow. As mentioned in another thread, in the origin fo faiths,
    I think some rules were created by man and attributed to coming from superior beings as a way to ensure they are not broken or treated seriously if broken.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 00:31:37 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

    Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"

    Nightfox

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  • From smartyhall@VERT/CYTOPIA to Nightfox on Sat Dec 7 05:25:09 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 2019 12:31 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:03 am

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding that can't be validated. Something about an boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

    Reminds me of the debate between Ken Ham (devout Christian who built the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argument about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical response was "Were you there?"

    Nightfox

    That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who doesn't LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P

    Watching people like Mr. Ham who seem to always go into debates with chips on their shoulders and then procede to "debate" past the other party instead of with them only ever seems to drive both sides further into their trenches.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to smartyhall on Sat Dec 7 12:12:14 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: smartyhall to Nightfox on Sat Dec 07 2019 05:25 am

    That was a painful one to watch! It's always been problemating for me, since I have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science.

    I don't see why they can't coexist. Science just shows how the world/universe works, and if you're a believer, it shows the detail of God's design.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 14:15:24 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to Mro on Fri Nov 29 2019 07:19 am

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Nov 28 2019 05:37 pm

    does god have our back? didnt he flood the world and kill most of the
    population amongst other things?

    I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. I've heard stories about some flooding tha can't be validated. Something about a boat and a bunch of animals if I'm not mistaken.

    Havens BBS

    i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

    btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch.
    but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Nov 30 16:41:11 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Nov 30 2019 12:31 am

    Ark museum in Kentucky) and Bill Nye. When Bill Nye made a scientific argum about the development of the earth and its age, etc., Ken Ham's typical


    bill nye? you mean that idiot failed comedian/jogger who goes on tv and pretends to be a scientist?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to smartyhall on Sat Dec 7 20:32:52 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: smartyhall to Nightfox on Sat Dec 07 2019 05:25 am

    have spent most of my life believing in both God and Science. Plus, who does LOVE Bill Nye?!? Ken Ham, however, is a bit of a nutter. :-P


    i dont love bill nye. dude is a lunatic.
    he pretend married a lady because he had bad credit just for a house.
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  • From HusTler to MRO on Mon Dec 23 13:13:55 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm

    i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

    btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunch. but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof that i didnt eat anything.

    How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can validate what you had for lunch but I'm sure they could prove one way or another whether some guy built a big boat, gathered two of every animal, bird, lizard and whatever else. Then keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh yea ... this is where miracles come in. How convienent for all the religions. Whenever something can't be explained it becomes a miracle. The whole thing insults my intelligence. You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)

    H A V E N S B B S havens.synchro.net:23
  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to HusTler on Mon Dec 30 13:20:12 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: HusTler to MRO on Mon Dec 23 2019 01:13 pm

    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Nov 29 2019 02:15 pm

    i thought they thought they found the remains of the ark

    btw, you can't validate what i had for lunch last week. and that wasnt thousands of years ago. i dont even remember what i had to eat for lunc but i can assure you i ate something. lack of validation is not proof th i didnt eat anything.

    How about validated by science? Is that better? I'm not sure science can va n keep them alive until the water receded and when it did let em all go. Oh
    You would think after 2020 years a better story could be told. ;-)

    H A V E N S B B S havens.synchro.net:23


    Validated by Science?
    What does that mean.

    Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.

    I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Sprite@VERT/TINTETBB to Zombie Mambo on Mon Dec 30 17:17:49 2019
    Re: Re: Not religious but enj
    By: Zombie Mambo to HusTler on Mon Dec 30 2019 13:20:12

    Validated by Science?
    What does that mean.

    Validation by the scientific method.

    Seems to me most things that science validates, science later un-validates. Truth in Earth terms does not = truth beyond Earth.

    What you're thinking of as 'science', the same as the 'scientific method', above, is not. You're thinking of 'theoretical science', which oftentimes ends up as pure mathematical masturbation, as equivalent to proven science. The two are very different. It's not an uncommon mistake, either.

    I take little stock in science that tries to expland things beyond our planet.

    Probably a good thing. I mean I don't doubt that we've got a lot of postulated experimental results dead on, but probably for the wrong reasons, and the farther you get from anything we've properly modeled in a laboratory, the more math has just built on math that has no empirical evidence behind it. Thus it gets to be a hell of a lot farther from reality if anybody missed a sign or something in an equation. ;) Or even if they just didn't get the abstraction dead on or the constant rounded to the right place...
    It's a shame that so many people judge science on the merits of theoretical science, though. The media and educational system should really make more distinctions a lot more obvious.

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